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#1 Jonny358

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Postado 03 julho 2005 - 03:54

Oi pessoal..
tenho 18 anos e malho +- a 1 ano e 7 meses... porem, nesses ultimos 3 meses tenho malhado muito mal pois comecei a trabalhar e nao conseguia horario bom pra malhar... Agora vou voltar a pegar pesado.

Tomando Whey e thermo pro. Estou pensando em tomar um suplemento que chama EQUIBOLAN. Vcs conhecem?? eh o chamado esteroide alternativo.

Vcs acham q vale a pena tomar? os efeitos colaterais sao fortes?

Obrigado

1mr

#2 kusanagi

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Postado 03 julho 2005 - 05:23

Não existe esteróide alternativo, ou é pré ou pro, ou é hormônio propriamente dito.

Pra ser um esteróide deve ter um esterol na cadeia, qual é a fórmula desse lixo ?

#3 Marquinhus_Maromba

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Postado 03 julho 2005 - 06:56

Nunca ouvi falar... qual é o laboratorio ?

#4 Jonny358

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Postado 03 julho 2005 - 06:58

amigo, estou procurando a formula e realmente nao acho.
Falo isso pq um amigo meu tomou e cresceu muito em 1 mes. Eu tenho a pagina que vende ele, nao vou postar aqui para nao falarem q estou fazendo propagandas blz?

mas vou te mandar por MP, assim q achar a formula eu posto!

#5 Jonny358

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Postado 03 julho 2005 - 07:09

amigos, o laboratoria eh IMPACT NUTRICION

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Postado 03 julho 2005 - 07:42

procurei por isso ai no google:
Impact Nutrition's Equibolan

E quase nao axei nada...

Se alguem tiver + info, poste ai!

#7 zapatista

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Postado 03 julho 2005 - 09:43

posta logo o link valeu

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Postado 03 julho 2005 - 09:51

ok, encontrei!
tem como base o 1,4-androstadienedione, um pre hormonal que tem como origem a boldenona (droga presente no equipoise)...
abaixo seguem informacoes sobre formaçao, açao e aromatizaçao... mas nao sei se é confiavel.


Boldenone and its precursor 1,4-androstadienedione

Boldenone is a popular anabolic steroid, manufactured as boldenone undecylenate in several veterinary drug preparations including Ganabol, Equipoise, Ultragan, Maxigan and Equi-gan. Structurally boldenone (1,4-androstadiene-3-one,17b-ol) is a close derivative of testosterone (4-androstene-3-one,17b-ol), differing from this androgen only by the addition of a second double bond in the A-ring of the structure (between carbons one and two). Likewise its direct precursor 1,4-androstadienedione differs from testosterone's direct precursor 4-androstenedione only by this same alteration, and converts to active form via the same widely distributed body enzyme (17-beta hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase, which interconverts these hormones between inactive 17-keto and active 17-beta hydroxy form). Although similar in structure, boldenone's second double carbon bond creates a hormone with activity that differs from testosterone in a number of significant ways.

Rate of Aromatization

One such difference is manifest in the rate in which this compound will aromatize (convert to an estrogen). Upon incubation with human placental microsomal aromatase (a standard assay for aromatase activity), the ability of 1,4-androstadienedione to aromatize to estrogenic form appears to be roughly half that of androstenedione (1). An equal activity level is present with our active target hormones boldenone and testosterone, as our active 17beta hydroxyl group will not to alter aromatase activity toward the substrate (as is noted by the equal rates of aromatization between androstenedione and testosterone). As testosterone is the primary substrate for the synthesis of estradiol in men, cutting this ability in half amounts to quite a considerable reduction in the estrogenic activity of our 1,4-androstadien hormones. It is for this reason boldenone is usually not associated with estrogen related side effects such as gynecomastia, obvious subcutaneous water retention and enhanced fat deposition, and athletes likewise consider it to be more of a steroid to promote lean muscular growth than raw bulk.

5-alpha Reduction of Boldenone

Boldenone also differs from testosterone in its ability to interact with the 5-alpha reductase enzyme. This is the enzyme responsible for forming dihydrotestosterone from testosterone, which is a much more potent activator of the androgen receptor. The 5AR enzyme is predominantly found in androgen target tissues such as the skin, scalp, prostate, pituitary, hypothalamus, and other regions of the central nervous system, and as such causes a notable increase in the androgenic potency of testosterone in these tissues. Although the 5-alpha reduction of boldenone (to dihydroboldenone) also results in the formation a more potent androgen, the C1-2 double bond on this hormone almost completely inhibits such interaction in the human body (2). Dihydroboldenone is likewise produced in small amounts at best in humans, allowing this hormone to be much less androgenic in nature compared to testosterone. On the plus side we see why athletes using boldenone injectables usually find them much more tolerable in terms of not promoting androgenic side effects such as acne, body/facial hair growth and hair loss. On the minus, of course we pay for reduced androgenic potency in terms of expected strength and mass gains (androgens are known to support neuromuscular functioning and development), which will be lower (though probably of higher quality) compared to that achieved with testosterone.

Comparative effectiveness of nandrolone and boldenone

The closest steroid in appearance (obvious effect to the user) to boldenone would probably be nandrolone. Most athletes use these two drugs under similar conditions, typically when there is a need for lean muscle tissue gain or a drug with fewer side effects in general. For these purposes both are well suited, however there are still some noticeable variances in the effects of both hormones. For example, at promoting overall muscle and strength gains boldenone is often proported to be more effective than nandrolone. This may be because boldenone is somewhat more androgenic in nature than nandrolone, due to the fact that it goes primarily unaltered by the 5-alpha reductase enzyme whereas nandrolone is actually reduced to less active form (dihydronandrolone) (3). While this allows nandrolone to be slightly milder in terms of side effects (except for interfering with libido, which can be much stronger with nandrolone as it is too weak an androgen), the lack of strong activity in crucial areas of the central nervous system may also act to lessen its effectiveness as a muscle and strength promoting anabolic. As boldenone is almost fully resistant to 5-alpha reductase, it retains an equal level of potency in both muscle and androgen target tissues.

We also see that in their respective rates of estrogen conversion both nandrolone and boldenone are similar in that they aromatize much more slowly than does testosterone. That is not to say that are equally resistant to this process however. In fact we see than nandrolone actually converts to estrogen at an even lower rate than boldenone does (1). One might automatically think that this is a more beneficial trait, however this would be assuming estrogen serves us no purpose in terms of muscle growth. Indeed this would be ignoring quite a bit of evidence showing just the opposite. For example, we find Primobolan® (methenolone, a non-aromatizable steroid) and nandrolone activate the androgen receptor with near equal affinity (4), and more avidly than does testosterone. Yet we know that testosterone is more effective at building muscle size. Were 5-alpha reductase the only cause for this disparity, we would think methenolone would be a similarly or more potent steroid than nandrolone, as it is more androgenic (due to the fact that similar to boldenone, methenolone remains unaltered in the presence of the 5-AR enzyme).

But Primobolan is notably weaker as an anabolic compared to nandrolone, making one question if its inability to convert to estrogen is also a key factor mediating its ability to promote growth. We see an interesting trend here. Testosterone (easily aromatized and the least effective AR agonist of the group) is the most potent muscle builder, whereas nandrolone (weakly aromatized, strong AR agonist) is thought to be roughly half as effective. Methenolone (not aromatizable at all, AR agonist potency near equal to nandrolone) is further known to possess even lower anabolic potency next to nandrolone, to spite its near equal effectiveness at the level of the androgen receptor.

We do know a couple of important things about estrogen and muscle growth. This first is that its sodium and water retaining effects of estrogen can greatly enhance the size of muscle tissue. The bulk you see from highly estrogenic steroids is in large part due to intercellular and intracellular water retention, and makes agents like testosterone, Dianabol and Anadrol rapidly acting agents. We also know that the conversion of androgens to estrogens is responsible for enhancing glucose-6-phosphate-dehydrogenase enzyme levels in muscle tissue (5). G6PD is an important regulator of glucose utilization, and plays a vital role in muscle growth and recuperation (6). Clearly the athlete today knows that if you want to put on size, you don't want to get away from estrogen completely. Likewise the low rate of estrogen conversion we see with boldenone may be ideal in that it allows for enough estradiol buildup to help foster muscle growth, yet it should reach a point where we see strong side effects like gynecomastia and excess fat retention.

Boldenone and Dianabol

It is also interesting to point out that boldenone is also structurally almost identical to methandrostenolone (Dianabol), barring that the latter hormone contains an added c-17alpha methyl group to allow for optimal survival during oral administration. The principal achievement with both steroids was again the C1-2 double bond, which markedly increases the ratio of anabolic to androgenic effect in each case. Athletes however usually fail to notice the relationship between these two anabolics, the two drugs varying in outward appearance so much that use of methandrostenolone is usually isolated to bulking cycles while boldenone is accepted as a mild anabolic for cutting phases. Clearly the more active estrogenic nature of methandrostenolone is the cause for such discrepancy, a trait due to the added methyl group. Although we find that c-17 alpha methylation moderately decreases the affinity of this substrate for the aromatase enzyme, the product here is a different form of estradiol (17-alpha methylestradiol). When we look at testosterone for example, we find that a 17alpha-methylated version (methyltestosterone) represents a more potent form of this hormone. This is because the methyl group does not greatly interfere with the ability of the hormone to activate the androgen receptor, however it does allow it have a lower affinity for the serum binding protein SHBG and exist in a more free and active state (7). Sharing use of the same binding protein (SHBG is also referred to as Testosterone-Estradiol Binding Globulin) and knowing that 17-methylestradiol is near in potency to estradiol , it seems logical to conclude that 17-methylestradiol would be similarly more active (and explain the greater estrogenic potency of drugs such as methyltestosterone, methandrostenolone and norethandrolone). The structural and characteristic similarities between these two hormones however remain evident.

High Oral Efficacy and Legal Status:

Although one might think 1,4-androstadienedione would be a synthetic hormone at first glance, it has clearly been demonstrated to occur in nature (9). This allows it to be is protected by the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act (DSHEA), and legal for sale as a nutritional supplement in the U.S. To support the belief that a 1,4-androstadienedione supplement really works as an effective precursor to boldenone in humans and not just on paper, we can take note of a 1971 study in which an unusually high amount of 17beta hydroxylated metabolites (as high as 22% of the given dose) were recovered in urine after oral administration of 100mg (10). Remember that in order to become active its 17-keto group must be converted to a 17-beta hydroxyl group. In fact 7.1% and 11.1% of the given dose was actually recovered in the form of intact boldenone in the two subjects of this investigation, indicating an extremely notable capacity for this hormone to convert to active form in the human body after oral dosing. It also demonstrates the ability for the C1-2 double bond to resist 17-ketosteroid reduction, a trait far different from testosterone, which produces 17-hydroxy metabolites in much smaller amounts.

Clearly boldenone has a firmly rooted place in the world of bodybuilding pharmaceuticals, standing out as a mild yet potent anabolic for the promotion of lean muscle tissue growth. It has likewise always been in high demand on the black market. The inclusion of a highly efficient steroidal precursor to this potent anabolic steroid in the world of legally available nutritional supplements will undoubtedly come to represent a welcome expansion in choices for the consumer.

#9 Jonny358

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Postado 03 julho 2005 - 10:04

pois eh.. eh um produto bem desconhecido no Brasil. Nao sei se da pra confiar, porem ele eh vendido legalmente.

Como ja havia dito acima um amigo meu cresceu muito em apenas 1 mes tomando isso.
Ele ainda nao sentiu nenhum efeito colateral.

#10 kusanagi

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Postado 04 julho 2005 - 12:34

É um pré hormonal, pode causar mesmos colaterais de esteróides anabolizantes porém sem os mesmos ganhos.

Isso já é ilegal no brasil faz tempo, só depende da forma como é apresentado, mas na boa é lixo.

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Postado 04 julho 2005 - 12:46

pois eh.. eh um produto bem desconhecido no Brasil. Nao sei se da pra confiar, porem ele eh vendido legalmente.

Como ja havia dito acima um amigo meu cresceu muito em apenas 1 mes tomando isso.
Ele ainda nao sentiu nenhum efeito colateral.

quais os ganhos dele?!

#12 Jonny358

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Postado 04 julho 2005 - 06:17

cara, nao sei te falar os ganhos em numeros.. vou ate perguntar pra ele dps.. mas em 1 mes, ele cresceu muito. Ao ponto do pessoal da academia perguntar que bomba q ele tava tomando..


é proibido no Brasil mas não é proibido nos EUA???? meio estranho nao?

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Postado 04 julho 2005 - 11:25

dps poste ai, derrepente vou pedir pro meu irmao me enviar esses produtos de la!

#14 Jonny358

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Postado 04 julho 2005 - 08:26

pois eh eu ja pedi o meu heheh..


mas gostaria de saber efeitos colaterais, mas pelo jeito ninguem conhece esse produto

#15 kusanagi

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Postado 04 julho 2005 - 10:58

Podem tentar a sorte, mas além de tudo pode nem entrar no Brasil.




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